tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post3667307563234556670..comments2023-04-11T08:14:29.784-07:00Comments on Watchkeep : Andy Savage on the Ben Ferguson ShowAmy Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09238444710658478191noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-30999852293512240752018-01-19T07:06:17.253-08:002018-01-19T07:06:17.253-08:00I made a mistake in transcribing, in the previous ...I made a mistake in transcribing, in the previous post at 16:21 Ben says to Andy "I said I was going to have you on for an hour" (not another hour). At this point they are about 53 minutes into the show. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-20758633751878937072018-01-18T09:50:54.423-08:002018-01-18T09:50:54.423-08:00Hi Amy,
Another place to check--it starts at 14:2...Hi Amy,<br /><br />Another place to check--it starts at 14:23 in your second interview segment, and the time stamps below are from the WREC footage. (The numbers in [x] refer to the segment).<br /><br />[3]16:18 Andy: I don’t know [sigh] I don’t know what’s going to happen,<br /><br />EDITED OUT:<br /><br />[3]16:21 Andy: …in the days ahead, to be honest. It’s been, uh, a pretty wild last few days.<br /><br />[3]16:21 Ben: Let’s not rush this, because I don’t want to rush this, um it’s unfair, I think, ta, ta, ta, to rush this. I said I was going to have you on for another hour, I think you need to talk a little bit longer, you good with that?<br /><br />[3]16:34 Andy: Sure.<br /><br />[3]16:35 Ben: Alright, we’ll take a quick break, we’ll come back, and I’ll ask, we, we’ll answer this question, should, should you be in the ministry. And do the people directly—[CUTS OFF HERE]<br /><br />[4]00:00 COMMERCIAL<br /><br />[4]00:31 Alright, hour three Ben Ferguson Show, with me is Andy Savage, um, uh, he is the Pastor at Highpoint Church, one of the pastors at Highpoint church, we are talking about an issue that has, um, been covered all over, I mean every major news company in the country has, has covered this, um, issue.<br /><br />CONTINUES WITH ORIGINAL FOOTAGE:<br /><br />[4]00:31 Ben: I also want to make it very clear that, and this is for context if you understand, I think it would be unfair if I had Andy on and did not offer the same opportunity to, to, to Jules...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-89382315282425355822018-01-17T09:29:54.377-08:002018-01-17T09:29:54.377-08:00Hi Barbara! (from Song of Joy)
Just wanted to let ...Hi Barbara! (from Song of Joy)<br />Just wanted to let you know the credit of the 4-pt reply actually belongs to another "Anonymous" whose post got wedged in between my two posts. We must have been typing and posting at the exact same time, LOL. I just didn't want to get credit for a comment someone else did. Always love your stuff Barbara. Thank you for being active in defense of abuse victims.<br /><br />And Amy, your efforts to support victims are wonderful. I thank you for the courage to help Jules and expose the darkness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-68553797857949504392018-01-16T21:41:46.363-08:002018-01-16T21:41:46.363-08:00It's all about him. Savage views this as his ...It's all about him. Savage views this as his story. He seems either unwilling or unable to realize that this is not about his story of redemption. It's about her story and he's the villain.Soliloquyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07859358488454631730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-81675818633890488112018-01-16T15:31:41.809-08:002018-01-16T15:31:41.809-08:00And thanks for replying to my four-point comment, ...And thanks for replying to my four-point comment, Song of Joy. :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12530236258021358131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-9373091760265957172018-01-16T15:28:19.887-08:002018-01-16T15:28:19.887-08:00^ Good point, Songofjoy/ Anonymous :) ^ Good point, Songofjoy/ Anonymous :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12530236258021358131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-29788282196526699282018-01-16T11:48:15.098-08:002018-01-16T11:48:15.098-08:00... And I'm still pondering on the apparent ab...... And I'm still pondering on the apparent ability that charismatic Andy Savage has to manipulate someone like Ben Ferguson into falling on his career sword in embarrassment, while trying to protect Andy from himself. <br /><br />If Ben Ferguson is a buddy to Andy Savage, and wanted to do him a favor...<br /><br />Wasn't it enough to give Andy lots of time to talk about his ever-changing version of events? Wasn't it enough that Ben conducted the interview in a sympathetic and friendly manner? Shouldn't that have been enough of a favor? <br /><br />But no. Andy then proceeded to hang himself with some of his answers... well why isn't that on Andy alone? Why did Ben have to compromise his own stated professional standards to intervene? <br /><br />It just goes to show how much influence someone like Andy has, influence to get folks to do the wrong thing in order to protect their image. Because I can't imagine that Ben gained anything from doing that except to get egg all over his face. <br /><br />posted by Song of JoyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-53751334032078345292018-01-16T10:48:40.193-08:002018-01-16T10:48:40.193-08:00Hi Barbara,
You can listen for yourself—go to Amy...Hi Barbara,<br /><br />You can listen for yourself—go to Amy's "BFS Andy Savage Part 2" above and start at 09:56, where Ben asks Andy "do you feel you broke the law?"<br /><br />In response Andy states that a 17-year-old is a "legal adult in the state of Texas, a consenting adult."<br /><br />No, and no. Unless the age of majority in Texas has changed since 1998 (there is no state where it is currently under 18), Jules at 17 was a legal minor. She had reached the age of consent, but she was NOT a legal adult, or a consenting adult.<br /><br />Ben could have corrected Andy on this point, but he reinforced it. "I would use the word very young adults, you were very young adults. She was a very young adult, 17."<br /><br />In the deleted intro Ben describes Jules as a "young girl in Texas, 17 at the time." This is problematic, side-by-side with "you were very young adults, she was a very young adult."<br /><br />In answer to Ben, who ends his taped apology above by saying:<br /><br />“Normal, level-headed people would say that me omitting—, or my staff member, not getting the break right and taking the “all right, welcome back to the Ben Ferguson Show” part of the program, I don’t think that anybody would think that that is malicious intent.”<br /><br />I would answer, I don't think this edit was malicious, however, it does look intentional.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-40690379366371399682018-01-16T09:59:23.534-08:002018-01-16T09:59:23.534-08:00Ben Ferguson, as the head of his own show, is ulti...Ben Ferguson, as the head of his own show, is ultimately responsible for the covert edits done to the clips that were uploaded. That he SCREAMED on Twitter denying that fact, and then backtracked blaming it on an anonymous producer, qualifying, excusing and minimizing the changes… I think he really embarrassed himself professionally.<br /><br />Ben lost his cool, he lost his competent credibility. Andy agreed to the interview. Andy participated in the interview. A professional radio host who values his career and his public audience would not edit out unfavorable statements from the interview, because (1) it is a testament to his skill in drawing out revealing info from his guest and (2) it is what his audience deserves, an honest show.<br /><br />posted by Song of Joy<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-83459400748310141992018-01-16T08:49:33.050-08:002018-01-16T08:49:33.050-08:00First of all, to say that this would have been han...First of all, to say that this would have been handled if you just made a phone call is very disingenuous. I feel like nothing would have been done. The pressure from the public questioning (for a public broadcast) was what caused the change. <br /><br />Secondly, all of this was handled very unprofessionally by Ben Ferguson. I deal with problems and issues every week as part of my job. My initial response is always "I don't think that's true, but let me check into it." Then, if a mistake was made I say "it looks like we did make an error, you are correct, etc." I would never, ever, say it was a staff person over and over, and "it wasn't me."Dr. Terry Portishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01157831262210501930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-63092874479179409222018-01-15T15:26:13.905-08:002018-01-15T15:26:13.905-08:00Thanks for this post Amy
May I make some suggestio...Thanks for this post Amy<br />May I make some suggestions to help it be even more clear?<br />No need to publish this comment if you don't want to.<br /><br /><br />1. The audios you have labelled "Full Interview Part 1" and "Full Interview Part 2" -- it wasn't clear to me whether they are the ones were published online some time after the show was aired, or whether they are the ones that were broadcast live. Maybe you might want to label them to make it more clear. <br /><br />2. If thing the comment by Anonymous on this thread was very clarifyig about why the first omission is significant. Maybe you might like to update your post by putting her comment into your post. Many people don't bother reading comments, they just read the post itself.<br /> <br />Her comment began with these words: "If it was just the first bit that had been left out I could have believed it was unintentional." <br /><br />3. Ben Ferguson seems to be contradicting himself where he says: "... the age of consent at the time in Texas at the time from what I understand was 16. Seventeen would obviously be under that."<br /><br />a) Has Anonymous transcribed those words of Ben's correctly?<br />b) If she has, then Ben definitely contradicted himself -- spoke nonsense -- at that point in the interview. Seventeen if OVER 16, not under 16! <br />... so you might like to point that out in your post.<br /><br />4. I wish you hadn't put the song clip at the end. It will put some folks off the post, or put them off sharing the post. I'm one of those folks. I will share the post because your documentation is good, but I am concerned that folks who see me sharing it might think I believe it's just fine for women to wear beards and bounce their bosom around before a big audience like that lead singer did. <br /><br />love and hugs to you<br />BarbAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12530236258021358131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-82027916880326754332018-01-15T13:08:48.064-08:002018-01-15T13:08:48.064-08:00If it was just the first bit that had been left ou...If it was just the first bit that had been left out I could have believed it was unintentional. <br /><br />Oh, wait...<br /><br />[10:46]<br />AS: Um, I was 22, she was 17, which is a, a, a legal adult in the state of Texas, a consenting adult, and we had a spontaneous, physical moment that was, uh, that, that was out of bounds for my, my commitment to sexual purity, but I did not commit a crime. <br /><br />BF: Um, you say you didn’t commit a crime and I want people to understand the law at the time, um, so they understand why, why, legally, and I think it’s important that people at least know what the law said at the time. You’re, you’re saying I didn’t break the, I, I, I’m not a criminal because we were two consenting, I, I would use the word, very young adults. She was a very young adult, 17, uh the age of consent at the time in Texas at the time from what I understand was 16. Seventeen would obviously be under that. Um, you’re young, and that’s the reason why you believe that you did not break the law when it comes to, at least the law in Texas.<br /><br />AS: That’s correct.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-34717834739824321462018-01-15T12:06:14.640-08:002018-01-15T12:06:14.640-08:00I listened to the interview live and then again on...I listened to the interview live and then again online yesterday. I had noticed online had edited what you have as your clip #2.<br /><br />Andy couldn't have gone through a complete restorative process without his church leadership being involved. He had left TX and lived far away, so they couldn't have helped the process be complete. He didn't tell his new church (Germantown) when he started interning for them 4 months after he left TX. Without Germantown being involved heavily with that process, it was incomplete.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05424576920700024766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-59269849969619700302018-01-15T12:00:25.775-08:002018-01-15T12:00:25.775-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05424576920700024766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-9358487228879939802018-01-15T10:27:15.512-08:002018-01-15T10:27:15.512-08:00Do we know who was responsible for editing the lin...Do we know who was responsible for editing the linked broadcast? Was it Ben Ferguson, since it is on the radio station website?Dale Rudigerhttp://xcjournal.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-37888642567237207082018-01-15T09:54:51.235-08:002018-01-15T09:54:51.235-08:00Could we maybe also stop calling Jules' assaul...Could we maybe also stop calling Jules' assault an "inappropriate relationship"? Proudlee Henpeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09393865701922915360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3310476356966667906.post-33674912876888095052018-01-15T07:48:00.288-08:002018-01-15T07:48:00.288-08:00Thank you for doing the work of comparing these in...Thank you for doing the work of comparing these interview files. The omissions were certainly in Andy’s favor. I agree that he is absolutely lying about going through any restorative process whatsoever. He is making vague statements about submitting himself to wise counsel...blah blah blah. Who are these elusive wise men that were ok with Andy remaining in ministry DURING a restorative process? Also, who are these ‘wise men’ that did not tell Andy to submit himself to authorities for the crime of sexual assault? The answer is quite obvious - there were no wise men, no pastors, no oversight - Andy slinked away from Woodlands Parkway with a slap on the wrist and picked up right where he left off at Germantown Baptist. Any version of the story he told to Chris Conlee and his wife was probably the version we all heard on the radio - it was consensual, an ‘organic moment’, she pursued me... His version has always been the sanitized sin-leveling version. The bottom line is that Andy Savage is a hypocrite of the highest order. He has lied & manipulated his way through 20 yrs of ministry, hiding his dirty little secret, all the while believing that it made him a better pastor. I personally believe there are more victims. I believe there are other women out there who were members of the youth groups he pastored that he emotionally and physically manipulated and abused. He loves the power, which is why he is fighting tooth and nail to hold onto it. He is a predator.Annanoreply@blogger.com